Quotes Uncovered: Who First Took Things With a Grain of Salt?

Quotes Uncovered

75 ThumbnailHere are more quote authors and origins Shapiro’s tracked down recently.

A while back, I invited readers to submit quotations for which they wanted me to try to trace the origins, using The Yale Book of Quotations and more recent research by me. Hundreds of people have responded via comments or e-mails. I am responding as best I can, a few per week.

Annie asked:

When and why did people start “taking things with a grain of salt?” Why just a grain?

The Mavens’ Word of the Day, an excellent but unfortunately defunct web site formerly sponsored by Random House, has this to say:

With a grain of salt is a translation of Latin cum grano salis. According to The American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms, the Roman historian Pliny the Elder wrote that General Pompey had discovered an antidote for poison that was to be taken cum grano salis. This was apparently to make it effective. That doesn’t quite explain the current meaning, though.

Other etymologists believe that, at some point centuries later, someone decided that Pliny had been skeptical about either the antidote or its efficacy and took cum grano salis to mean “with a dose of skepticism.” That has been its meaning since its first appearance in English in the 17th century. It seems likely to me that the derivation is something like this: if you’re going to believe that tale, you’d better take it with a grain of salt to make it more palatable (as salt makes food more palatable). I don’t know that we need to go back to the story of Pompey’s antidote for a derivation for the phrase.

thecagedlion asked:

Here’s a quote I first learned from my business statistics prof, then two years later from a different prof in finance: “There are three kinds of lies — lies, damned lies, and statistics.” Both professors credited Benjamin Disraeli. I have since heard someone in the media credit Mark Twain. What say you?

Twain used this in his Autobiography, crediting Benjamin Disraeli for it. In The Yale Book of Quotations, which uses exhaustive research to trace quotation origins, I maintained that Disraeli really was the most likely source. Subsequently, I pushed the earliest known usage of the expression back to 1891. Stephen Goranson, however, then found slightly earlier evidence in 1891 and has argued convincingly against the Disraeli theory. The Wikipedia article on “Lies, damned lies, and statistics” summarizes his researches and his conclusion that the English politician Charles Wentworth Dilke (1843-1911) is the most likely coiner.

Do any readers have any other quotations whose origins they would like me to attempt to trace?


AC

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."

Where does this anti-welfare-state quote come from?

Hunter

I think Pliny had it right. The formula for the antidote was correct, as far as it went, but ultimately incomplete.

When someone gives me an explanation that apparently fits the facts, but may not be the whole truth, that's when I reach for my salt shaker.

Hunter

And with apologies to Sam Clemens, Ben Disraeli, and apparently, Chuck Dilke, I would submit there are actually four kinds of lies. The fourth being "advertising."

M.B.

Instead of a grain of salt they say a pinch of salt in England.

Dan

Where does the phrase "the whole 9 yards" come from?

Andrew

How about...

"You can fool some people some times, but you can't fool all the people all the time"

RabbiSJC

My daughter would like to know where the expression, "growing like a weed," comes from.
She is studying the last chapter from Isaiah as her bat mitzvah haftarah (for when Shabbat --the Sabbath -- falls on Rosh Hodesh -- the New Moon) and in verse 66:14, it reads, "Your limbs shall flourish like grass."

Since she herself has been growing rapidly lately, she immediately connected this verse and the expression, wondering the one inspired the other. Any thoughts? (Her bat mitzvah is in June; any answer before that could lead to a mention at our synagogue!)

Thanks!

Eric

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_whole_nine_yards

Has some suggestions and links for further reading.

Oceanesque

Why do people say "She's apples", meaning, everything is good?

Wally

Does anyone know where this quote come from:

"It is not enough that I should win - my enemy must also lose."

Trish

Here's one that I've been wondering about: So&so is "a piece of work"

Amy

Regarding the quote, "Wherever You Go, There You Are," which was discussed in the July 2 post (sorry, I came late to this party): I know of a much earlier use than the one in the movie cited by Yale Book of Quotations. Specifically, the phrase is the subtitle of the guidebook, "The People's Guide to Mexico," by Karl Franz, the first edition of which was published in 1972. Amazon still carries the 30th Anniversary edition. If Karl was quoting anyone, he did not say so. The maxim is used by Karl to encourage his readers to throw out "schedules" and relax while traveling.

robert epstein

What a small world. I was at a a scotch tasting 2 nights ago and had this explained.

Traditional scottish kilts use 8 yards of wool. On special occasions like weddings and funerals, it is customary to take an additional yard of cloth and wrap it over the shoulder. One who is doing this is "Dressed to the 9's" or using "the whole nine yards"

Greg

How about the origin of the quote:

"None but God can satisfy the longing of the immortal soul - as the heart was made for Him, He only can fill it"

Ramona

We all know how to use the word "copecetic," but what does it really mean?

sandy

who said "Facts are the enemy of Truth"?