The Truth About Gay and Lesbian Income

Joe Clark, who has previously written about women’s hockey, took a look at the myths surrounding gay and lesbian income statistics. Interestingly, Clark found that “[g]ay males earn less than straight males, often much less. Meanwhile, lesbians earn more than straight females.” Clark attributes the difference to professional choices, not discrimination: “Gay males have more education than straight males, but they do not choose male-dominated professions as often as straight males do. In fact, they choose female-dominated and/or service professions much more often.” Gay males also work fewer hours than straight males. Lesbian women, by contrast, work more hours than straight females and are “overrepresented in male-dominated professions that pay better than female-dominated professions.” [%comments]

Leave A Comment

Comments are moderated and generally will be posted if they are on-topic and not abusive.



View All Comments »
  1. Jill says:

    This research seems to also assume that the reason women earn less than men are their chosen profession and hours, which to say the least cannot be taken seriously. It tells part of the story but a more detailed research can see more patterns. Perhaps gay males are treated more similar to women, and hence are paid less? An interesting conversation on how accepting is liberal society of gays really?:

    Thumb up 1 Thumb down 3
  2. GiorgioNYC says:

    Thanks, Times. Now when money’s tight I’ll just hit up my lesbian friends.

    Thumb up 0 Thumb down 1
  3. Meg says:

    But who makes more: gay males or gay females?

    Thumb up 4 Thumb down 2
  4. nottom says:

    It seems like this is pretty good evidence that much of the “gender gap” is by choice and not the result of discrimination.

    Thumb up 8 Thumb down 4
  5. Kim says:

    Perhaps the reason “male-dominated” fields have higher salaries is because we accept the pay gap between teachers, nurses and other “female-dominated” fields and banking, engineering and the like. Perhaps if more men were Kindergarten teachers, we’d start paying them more.

    Thumb up 4 Thumb down 7
  6. Jen says:

    My female partner works as an estimator in a construction company. Yeah, not many women become estimators. There are plenty of women in her office, but they are in sales or secretarial work. My partner went into estimating because she’s good at math, and… well, why not? She works fairly regular hours for a good salary. The straight women who work in the office could have gone to the same college my partner went to and applied to the same jobs. I don’t know why they didn’t. I’m not even sure that they are unhappy in the jobs they did chose even though they pay a lot less.
    My guess? Lesbian women go into higher paying professions for the same reason that a lot of us can fix our own computers, change our own tires, and mow the lawn. Men don’t look after us. We learn to do all of the things men would usually do. That isn’t to say I’m not happy to have a nice guy friend carry something really heavy up the stairs for me. But it is to say, generally speaking, we do a lot of things straight women don’t learn to do. Some of those things happen to pay well, so why not take a better job? Also, most of the secretaries in my partner’s office have husbands who make more money than they do… maybe they don’t feel as much pressure to work longer and harder for more.

    Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 15 Thumb down 1
    • Alex says:

      Also you learn to have skills and make more money because you have to attract women. Straight women don’t have to, obviously.

      Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0
    • Nick says:

      lol, it actually proves the opposite point entirely. I’m bisexual and I’m pretty sure the gays have a higher proportion of the female brain while lesbians have a higher proportion of the male brain. Either way, it’s been my experience that a lot of gays act a lot more feminine and a lot of lesbians act a lot more masculine from everything such as hair, clothes, and so on. Obviously gay guys can still be manly and lesbian girls can still be feminine, but the ones who have acted like this are often in the closet and do so to stay hidden. I personally can tell that I’m a bit more feminine than straight guys. I hide it as much as possible, but when I’m alone, I like to indulge in a couple of things that girls mainly would.

      Anyways, I think the fact that the girls who act more like men go to harder and higher paid fields speaks something about biology. Gay men that, are most likely more feminine, end up in lesser paid fields that are dominated by women also shows something.

      I don’t think men necessarily work harder than women, as gay guys are still men, and lesbians are still women, but I think that those who have those hormones that make you more a little more competitive, greedy, and aggressive. This hormone is in men more, and it pushes men towards majors that make more money that they might not be as happy with. I think the competitiveness and challenge of a field can cause some happiness.

      Anyways, endpoint I think in general girls will be happier in their jobs with more fulfilling and sometimes more needed fields. I think the competitiveness gets men into harder fields that are more competitive, but pay more for the skill set. (ex, miners and truckers make a lot compared to their skill set.)

      That’s just my opinion, since I consider myself pretty much in the middle of all of the opinions. Everyone’s minds are based on the hormones and things that run through it. people with minds that have different hormonal balances will function differently, and will be pleased with different types of jobs.

      Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0
    • joseph shaffer says:

      I got to give you respect for acknowledging that men do things for women: changing tires, oil and other repairs, etc. But I wonder why women especially feminists do not give us respect for the free labor we perform for them. I as a white man love women and would offer my life in their service.I would give up my seat on a life boat without a second thought. Why do they hate us so much even while we live them far beyond ourselves? It is really hurtful that the ones we live and cherish most hate us and do not respect us! I am hated four being white.I am hated four being straight.I am hated four having a dick. I am hated for wanting to use it. I am hated four being too manly. I am hated and ridiculed if I’m not man enough. I am told not to cry. I am told instead to man up. I am told my feelings are not important and that it is my fault when others don’t succeed. WHY DO YOU HATE US SO MUCH?

      Thumb up 0 Thumb down 1
  7. AaronS says:

    When you boil it down, aren’t we just saying that “girls” make less than “guys”–whether you are one or the other because of plumbing or orientation?

    While I find it absolutely wrong to pay a woman less for doing the same job as a man, in SOME cases it seems that women gravitate (or perhaps have no other choice) to jobs that are not treasured as much by the masses.

    Indeed, we all understand that nurses and teachers are VITAL…and yet for whatever reason, we pay a basketball star enough to pay a hundred nurses.

    The fault is not necessarily in the chosen industry, but in societies poor prioritization of the things that really matter. Very simply, we take our money and our leisure very seriously–so we pay bankers and rock/movie/sports stars massive amounts.

    I wonder what would happen to our society if, while continuing to respect that significant talents of our stars, we rebalanced things so that we could attract the VERY BEST teachers in the world to our classrooms? We could then draw from a rich pool of talent, rather than have to do with anything less than the best.

    Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1
    • Jeremy Burke says:

      Personally I feel that teachers and nurses are overpaid if anything. Go out an dig a ditch for $10 an hour and tell me which job is actually “harder.” If laborers were actually paid based on the amount of WORK done the world would be a better place.
      I’m sorry but k-12 teachers for the most part just print out pages of books, give a 10 minute speech every 45-60 minutes, then sit around on their computer goofing off. Sure they have to grade some tests in their off time, and make lesson plans. However is that hard? No. Anyone can do it. And do it while watching netflicks and eating a bagel.
      As for vital…. not really. Home schooling is a perfectly acceptable and viable means of educating a child and honestly a better way when it’s practical. Lets face it 90% of the things you learn in k-12 are useless mumbo jumbo that will never help you in life outside of a certain very narrow career fields. Children should be educated back on their interests starting at a much younger age. Memorizing the dates of historical figures deaths is just useless garbage. Teaching a guy to rebuild an engine.. now that’s useful.
      If by nurses you mean RN’s, they are paid fairly well. If you mean CNA they are paid based on the amount of education required and work done. It’s a one semester long $600 class for Christ’s sake. They make around $10-12 an hour starting pay. That’s pretty decent for a job that only requires a GED and 5 months of college + being able to lift 50 pounds. And a lot easier than stocking shelves at a large chain grocery store like Walmart. I’ve watched CNA’s sit for half an hour at a time gossiping while on the job with nothing to do.
      I say go dig a ditch, mow a lawn, fertilize an organic garden with a shovel… then complain about low paying desk jobs that pay better than any of the above. People don’t want to work, they just want to get paid.

      Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0
  8. charles says:

    Um, Kim & Jill – you’ve heard of confirmation bias? Lets get back to good old supply and demand. There is no big giant head organizing a conspiracy to pay women less. You’re chasing shadows.

    Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0
    • Julea says:

      The reason why this is a topic, is because the LGBT people have this on their agenda. They are now turning into full blown feminists. Perhaps if we had some real men around, our world would not be such a shambles, with the White House entertaining the Muslim Brotherhood, even has them as advisors influencing foreign and domestic policy. Alas, while the judges of California are practising their sexual promiscuity and freemasonry, America is getting taken down, and the bedrock of America are the christians.

      Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1
    • joseph shaffer says:

      I wish there were more men like you top stand up to the oppression were face as men and boys! I wish we could take away the technology(electricity, indoor plumbing, cars, space shuttle, cell phones, regular phones, computers etc) that we have given them just for a day then maybe they would value is a little more when we come and get them out of their mud huts again!

      Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0