Pop Culture Introspection, Part I: Why Do the Couples From The Bachelorette Do So Much Better Than Those From The Bachelor?

 Of the sixteen The Bachelor shows, only four relationships from the show lasted at least a year.  Only two couples are still together.  In contrast, five of the seven The Bachelorette seasons led to relationships that lasted at least a year. (Although only two of the couples are still together.)

Why the difference? Just chance, or does it tell us something about men, women, and relationships?


David Sommerset

Well... If we agree that men are evolutionally predisposed to be more promiscuous than women, then a system in which male power and status are enhanced should lead to greater promiscuity by the men, thus bringing about the end of the relationships faster. Elevating the power of the women would, similarly, have the opposite effect. However the sample size is ridiculously small, so this is nothing more than conjecture.

TheBachelorScience

To be honest, the sample size isn't that small... (we can analyse the choices 23 individuals made among 575 contestants; and many more "decision points" at each occasion when there was a rose on the line). There's also a unique "lab-like" environment in which conversations, physical reactions and retrospective analysis by contestants about their thoughts during each episode give a lot of insight and data about what may have motivated their choices.

TheBachelorScience

Women go more by long-term compatibility, men go more by mystery and attraction (which fade)...

Bill

Given that both shows require both men and women to participate, I struggle to see how gender differences could explain the results unless it is specific to the process of choosing from among a group of publicity hungry potential partners.

Chris

If we look at the typical relationship style in America, it normally falls under the format of women are pursued by men who compete for her attention. If we look at the Bachelorettes on the show, they are typically attractive women between the ages of 24-29 years? If that's the case they have been potentially dating since around 15-16 years old, giving them 9-14 years of experience in picking out individuals that are pursuing them versus the limited experience a man would have in this current relationship model.

The bachelorette has one woman who's being pursued by several men; which falls into the same relationship structure that is common in America.

The bachelor by contrast; requires women to compete for men. It's a different approach and possibly a skill that most men haven't developed to successfully identify the needs of a relationship beyond the present day.

Jeff

I really don't think it's a gender issue. I think we can all agree that both of the shows are reality tv gimmicks. the contestants for either show know that it's a media stunt and a cash grab, and the type of Bachelor/Bachelorette that are casted for the shows is a particular individual that already is financially well off and i wouldn't think it would be unreasonable that they would accept free money for showing off their wealth. I agree with David Below in that the sample size is just too small.

clayton

Are you really trying to generalize from contestants on The Bachelor and The Bachelorette to the population as a whole?

GoPop

Your point is valid. However, the large and persisting popular success of these shows is a good indication that a large portion of the public identifies with or aspires to be like these contestants.

Freakanumbics

This seems a ridiculous question to even ask. These "relationships" are the result of a neurotic game played out before television cameras. They are not relationships in the normal sense....at all. I don't know why anyone would expect them to last, for either show. It's just made for TV BS. And yet I see people in the audience just riveted by it, like it is life or death. Mostly women though. Women love this cheap drama stuff. A lot.

Shouldn't Freakonomics be concerned with more econ-oriented stuff? Like for example what is the effect on personal income/debt/divorce, of watching crap TV shows religiously? Do it by gender, by age.

Rational Person

You had me thinking you might be a reasonable, thoughtful person right up until the end of your first paragraph there:

"And yet I see people in the audience just riveted by it, like it is life or death. Mostly women though. Women love this cheap drama stuff. A lot."

Replace "women" with "Black people" or "Muslims" or any other demographic group and you will see why rather than a thoughtful, intelligent commenter, you seem to be someone held back by knee-jerk reactions, unable to meaningfully consider real data that may or may not contradict your preconceived notions. And you criticize this site for not being objective and data-oriented enough?

Daniel

From TV by the Numbers: "The Bachelorette stood as Monday’s #1 TV show for the 2nd consecutive week among its core audience of Women 18-34."

and also "ABC earned second place on Memorial Day in Total Viewers and Adults 18-49, while finishing #1 for the 3rd week in a row across the Women demographics (W18-34W18-49/W25-54)." That shows pretty directly that women at least view the program at a higher rate than men. Whether or not women "love this cheap stuff. A lot" isn't as easy to show.

And I would replace "women" with Muslims if I was talking about who went to Jumu'ah or Black People if I was talking about who had developed pigmentation from prolonged evolution in Africa's western coast. The real data shows that the whole show is designed to draw in women. Just watch the ads during the show to see who is watching and who the writers and producers are pandering to.

Quin

The teensy sample sizes should induce us not to draw conclusions either way, methinks.

Steve

There's an old joke about a rich king who was looking for a wife, and was given three choices among three very different types/looks of women. Which one did he choose? The one with the biggest breasts, of course.

Let's face it -- we men are pigs. God bless us.

James

Speak for yourself. I've been a man all my adult life, and have never found large breasts all that attractive. Indeed, beyond a certain hypertrophied size (probably achieved via implants) they are positively unattractive to me.

This only points out the fallacy of many other comments, which start from the position that all men are this and all women are that. In the real world, there's plenty of variation. I also suspect that people who are both willing to appear on shows like these, and able to make it through the selection process, are at least a couple of sigmas wide of the norm.

Eric M. Jones.

It is not fair to compare in this case. Contestants are screened. Maybe you should say, "Why is the Bachelorette screener so much better than the Bachelor screener?"

Daniel

I think this has a lot more to do with decisions and commitment to those decisions than it does with any specific differences among how men and women pick prospective partners. I believe that we have to take into account the amount of public scrutiny and judgement that the contestants get during and after the show. It is also very important to know if the same criteria is used for choosing the Bachelorette and Bachelor's namesake as well as the respective contestants.

I would conjecture that this public judgement might make the bachelorettes remain more committed to the relationship as their perceived level of judgement may seem to be higher than their male counterparts. That might also be why there is convergence (though still difference) when moving past the 1 year mark. I also suppose that the process may be weighted so that they are much more interested in finding a bachelorette that is willing to and looking to settle down wherein they are looking for a bachelor that is very attractive and successful and a seemingly amazing catch for all of the big-chested blondes to fight over, regardless of his personal views toward relationships and commitment.

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JBP

While this is too small of a sample to be very confident, I would hazard a guess that it somehow comes from the evolutionary fact that the female of any species is the chooser. This is why the male of a species tends to be bigger or prettier than the female—the male tends to be what the female find attractive. If I remember the number correctly, women end the relationship over 70 percent of the time. The female is nature's chooser.

This has to be related to the cultural fact that men chase women. Once the show is over, the relationship will revert to the norm and the women will become the chooser again. If the woman makes the choice in the beginning, then she will be more likely to make the same choice in the future.

Of course, this is a statistical truth. Personal variation is typically larger than statistical attributes of a population. Knowing this doesn't mean you know what a specific man or woman would do in a similar situation.

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AaronS

Absolutely. If I may be so brazen, men (of which I am one) are largely looking for the best arm candy or the best-in-bed, etc. In other words, I think that most men--or at least the ones that are used to trading on their looks--are looking at matters very superficially.

Women, on the other hand, as a matter of nature, tend to look for a more complex mix of characteristics in their mate. This likely has something to do with wanting a good provider/father.

Of course, this comes across as a very stereotypical look at matters, but I think it's true. I remember some dating show where a guy would go out with three or four girls, eventually excluding all but one. In virtually every case, it was the woman who seemed most likely to have sex, demonstrated either through her very forward/provocative behavior...or because the other girls did not seem nearly so willing to put out.

It was shameful...yet oddly compelling. A man is looking for a woman to give him the milk without having to buy the cow (so to speak). I imagine that there are few men who wouldn't prefer a situation where they get all the pleasures of a relationship with none of the responsibilities. It's shameful. But as long as we'll watch, they'll keep right on doing it.

Thank goodness that there are still a few good men who act honorably. Unfortunately, they don't appear to be on "The Bachelor."

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Baiba

In front of the camera everyone behaves in different way than when cameras are absent. So i think it's false expectations what destroys these relationships.

MRB

The amount to which the contestants fall in love with the bachelor/ette with whom they spend 1-3 television moderated dates per week in exotic locales always amazes me.

I think that, for the bachelorette contestants (the men), the winner receives a beautiful, young, and more-or-less financially self-sufficient (if not rich) woman. That's 85% to 90% of what men are looking for.

For the women, they receive a beautiful, young, and more-or-less financially self-sufficient (if not rich) man. That's 50% to 70% of what women are looking for.

I.G

Men are more competitive on average, and most of them enjoy the challenge of having to chase a woman.
It's no wonder that a man with his pick of the litter would enter a relationship handed to him without seeing any value behind it, after all, he didn't have to work for it at all.

Relationships, in my experience, just work better when the male chases the female, and not the other way around.

Sean Heidger

Its hard to actually make any assumptions about this because it is a TV show and viewers do not really see what goes on behind the scenes. At the same time, the women who are looking for love may actually be looking for their life partner and uses full advantage of the show. On the other hand, the men may see it as there chance to show off on TV and meet as many women as possible. So when the guy finally chooses the girl, after filming, there may not actually be any feelings there since he was blinded by the cameras and women around him. This response doesn't really pose any new question, just goes along with the typical stereotype when it comes to men and women with love and relationships...could it be true?

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