Besmirching Ourselves Online: A Q&A With the Author of The Future of Reputation

Future of Repuation

Daniel Solove is amazed by what people will divulge about themselves (and others) online — usually unaware of consequences which can range from stardom to job loss.

But in his recent book The Future of Reputation, Solove, an associate professor of law at George Washington University, explains why even someone with virtually no online footprint can suffer a similar fate as Little Fatty (see below) or The Washingtonienne‘s boyfriend.

He proposes a combination of litigation and social nudges to develop and define online privacy.

Solove has agreed to answer our questions about his book.

Q: In your book you point out that technologies change but human nature stays the same. What does this mean for our online reputations?

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A: For the first time in history, anybody can publish information to a worldwide audience; in the past, only those with access to mainstream media could do so.

The students currently in high school and college — what I call Generation Google — will have to live with a series of information fragments about their personal lives.

In college, students often experiment as they strive to develop their own identities; they often do silly things.

One example is streaking — many college students do it, and it’s almost a rite of passage at some college campuses. In the past, such things were forgotten. But now, it’s so easy to capture everything in a photo or on video.

The gossip that pervades college campuses, high schools, and many other settings doesn’t fade into obscurity — it lives on. Gone are the days of innocent experimentation, of being foolhardy without having to suffer permanent regret.

Q: What percentage of people with an online presence don’t grasp the consequences of the information they are putting out there?

A: A lot. I constantly see blogs and social networking websites with people spilling out a torrent of incredibly sensitive information.

What happens as a result?

When people write on their computers, they often do so alone in their rooms. It’s hard to imagine that when you post something on your blog, it might be exposed to a worldwide audience.

Contrast that with speaking before a large crowded auditorium.

When people can’t see any audience, the visual cues that might inhibit them are missing — they might disclose more on their blog than they would in the auditorium — and the consequences (embarrassment, job opportunities lost, people constantly asking them about the things they read about online) might not happen until later.

Q: My mother boasts that she has virtually no online footprint — she doesn’t even have an email account. Is her online reputation still at risk?

A: Yes — even if you don’t put any information about yourself online, somebody else might spread information about you.

A parent who has no online presence may have a child who is writing extensively about them on a social network website or blog. For example, if you had named your mother in this Q&A, there would now be some information about her online.

Another example is the kid in China who was surfing the Web one day and discovered that somebody had taken his photo and placed it online — and that thousands of people were inserting him into movie posters and other scenes.

They called him “Little Fatty” because he was pudgy. Imagine his surprise at discovering that his face was on thousands of websites.

Q: Would the story of the Dog Poop Girl — a woman who didn’t clean up after her dog after it defecated on a subway in South Korea — have happened the same way in the U.S.?

A: Yes. Somebody snapped her photo and placed it online, she was identified, and a vicious online shaming campaign ensued, resulting in harassment — and it spread worldwide.

This could easily have happened in the United States. Shaming is something that has occurred since ancient times in nearly all societies.

Q: What makes internet shaming more dangerous than non-internet (and fairly successful) shaming techniques like the “How’s my driving?” bumper stickers?

A: Shaming in the physical world often occurs in mild, fleeting ways. If a person does something rude, people nearby might say something; they might glare.

On the Internet, however, shaming can become a digital scarlet letter that can be affixed to a person’s identity for life. Wherever that person might go, their shameful acts will readily pull up in a Google search.

Moreover, in the physical world, there are typically only a limited number of people who are nearby to witness the event and engage in the shaming. Online, thousands — sometimes tens or hundreds of thousands — can join in the posse. The ability to spread information quickly allows a mob to erupt — something that is more difficult to achieve off-line.

Mobs don’t behave thoughtfully and rationally; they aren’t calm and measured and fair. Shaming campaigns often devolve into harassment and threats and get very ugly, as I describe in some cases in the book.

Q: What’s a well-known shaming site?

A: One of the more popular ones is Don’tDateHimGirl.com, a website where women post complaints about men they’ve dated.

Q: Have you ever taken part in social “shaming” — online or in real life?

A: Not online shaming, but off-line — there were times where I said something to somebody who butted in line, but I’ve never dialed a “How’s My Driving?” number.

Q: In your book you mention a tipping point where online gossip spills over into an epidemic — where is that point and how do we prevent ourselves from getting there?

A: The key is to find information quickly and nip it in the bud — the best way to stop any epidemic.

If you find information about yourself online that is libelous or invasive of privacy, you should contact the person who put it up and request it be taken down. In many cases … this will solve the problem.

The danger is that at any moment, gossip can go viral — it can become very popular and be discussed on thousands of sites (and read by millions of people). Once this happens, it’s hard to fix the damage.

More generally, colleges should do more to educate students about the consequences of spreading personal information online — to teach people to be responsible so that they don’t harm others and that they don’t post information about themselves that they later regret.

But there isn’t an easy, elegant way to nudge bloggers — after all, there are over 50 million blogs!

Q: How do we as a society incentivize bloggers to take more care in shielding identities?

A: If the law were more protective of privacy, the message might be spread that if you don’t blog responsibly, then you might face a lawsuit.

At best, though, the law can merely push society a bit in this direction. Millions of lawsuits aren’t practical – and they certainly aren’t desirable.

The goal is for a set of norms to develop about responsible blogging — for a kind of ethical code to emerge.

Q: What issues arise from the law’s role in privacy protection?

The law overprotects speech in certain circumstances. One example of law that needs to be changed is Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

Section 230 does not establish a good balance between protecting reputation and preserving free speech.

As interpreted by the courts, it discourages sites from taking responsibility for the comments posted on them and has been turned into a blanket immunity that allows sites to leave up content that they know is defamatory or invasive of privacy.

It’s allowed websites like JuicyCampus.com, which facilitate the spread of gossip and rumor on college campuses, to flourish without consequences.

To adequately protect privacy, the law must develop more modern and nuanced understandings of privacy. Too often, the law is hindered by antiquated notions of privacy, which prevent it from being effective.

Q: You say the design choices of websites and their default settings have an enormous impact on privacy. Can you suggest a way a current website might be changed to improve privacy along these lines?

A: Many social network websites are set up with a default setting that makes information fully available to the public. This is the easiest setting, and many people just go with the default.

Social network websites are also not very nuanced about how they categorize relationships — the world can’t easily be divided into friends and not-friends.

Off-line, we have a myriad of different types of relationships — each with very different norms of information sharing. But social network websites have a simpler, more reductive typology of relationships, and as a result, people wind up sharing information with others that they might normally not share information with.

If sites were structured to set the defaults toward making disclosure more restricted, it would help matters quite a bit — and make people think before exposing information to the entire world.

Q: So have you ever regretted putting something about yourself online?

A: Unfortunately (for you and your readers — fortunately for me), I don’t have information online that I regret.

When I was in high school and college, I used an Apple IIe computer, with 64K of R.A.M. E-mail was relatively new, and I used it occasionally. There were no social network websites, no blogs.

Now, I’m totally addicted to e-mail and the Internet — if I can’t check my e-mail and surf the Web for a few hours, I start to have withdrawal symptoms.

I’m fairly certain that if Web 2.0 were around when I was in high school and college, I’d have a blog and social network website.

Would I have put up regrettable pieces of information? I’m not sure — I was never an exhibitionist type of person, so I’ve never felt the need to display my private life before the public — and I was a fairly boring kid.


John Jay

I grew up in a literalist bible family. My father in an effort to encourage optimum behavior quoted Matthew 12:36: "I tell you that on the day of judgment people will have to account for every careless word they speak." or Paul's quote in Romans 14:12 "So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God."

I instantly realized that if everyone's secrets were revealed, I would definitely be in the mid to upper bounds of righteous behavior and had nothing to worry about. It was only if my sins were revealed and no one else's that I had to worry.

ruthling

Eventually, the scandal will be the guy/gal
*without* drunkness, streaking, or other minor embarrassments locatable on youtube or the equivalent, the thinking being "what are they hiding?" or "didn't they have friends?"

Dan M.

In response to Kyle's comment about MLK party, don't you think shaming would have been an appropriate response to something like that? The internet merely facilitated an inevitable shaming. In my opinion, such idiocy deserved rebuke, internet or not.

Something similar happened when a government agency had a party and someone with a "black face" won best costume. It was posted all over the internet the next day. In these cases, a little shame goes a long way.

prklypr

ditto@5: bunch of kids at the local HS posted pix of themselves drinking hard liquor, etc at a party. Next thing you know, school officials were looking at the pix and those kids (some of whom were members of an elite peer group that spreads the 'just say no' gospel) were in big trouble. Bet none of them thought those innocent Facebook pics would be seen by anyone other than their friends.

FrankTheTank

I feel like Solove fails to consider the opposite end point of this phenomenon.

With more and more information out there on so many people, "shame" dissolves into nothing as EVERYONE'S secrets and misdeeds come to light.

That is, NO ONE is immune from having done something wrong and that once all of that information is in the public space, we will not be able to judge another for their actions.

Jared

It is silly to suggest that "at any moment, gossip can go viral - it can become very popular and be discussed on thousands of sites (and read by millions of people)." It is hard to imagine the drinking escapades of my buddy becoming a global phenomenon next week--it is just boring and mundane. The danger here is very overstated.

Someone who has some modestly embarrassing video buried in the YouTube collection doesn't have that much to fear. It is embarrassing, but the likelihood of facing global humiliation is pretty far fetched indeed. It makes more sense to start playing the lottery.

Kyle

Jared said "It is hard to imagine the drinking escapades of my buddy becoming a global phenomenon next week-it is just boring and mundane. The danger here is very overstated."

I can offer a great example where this exact thing happened. Remember a few years ago when the students at a college decided to have a "MLK party" and every came dressed up in extremely classless costumes and painted their skin black? I'm pretty sure they thought the only people who would hear about it were those at the party. So they posted some pictures on facebook and within 3 days, it was all over the internet.

I'm not trying to justify what they did, but I'm pretty sure they never expected to have the whole world looking at pictures from one of the MANY parties they've had in college.

frankenduf

no mention of the upside of shaming- that it molds behavior towards socially accepted norms- I think we need more shaming of white collar criminals- since the legal system is unwilling to deter this behavior, it's up to the disparagement of peers to effectively dissuade it

Wilhelms

I agree with Frank. I'm kind of disappointed that all the analysis is still along the lines of "How to protect yourself from having your personal information exposed online" rather than, "How to rethink finding information about people you know online."

Davey

Umm, Jared, @5? Maybe you heard about the high school girls that posted video of themselves whomping on one of their classmates a couple of weeks ago? That would be an example of something going viral in a big way. It seems to happen every week, now.

Ever heard of Jeremiah Wright?

Karen

It never ceases to amaze me how many people are quite happy to put not just pictures of dodgy exploits online, but enough information about themselves for some serious identity theft. A lot of Facebook pages provide dates of birth, full names, educational and employment details, etc. A friend of mine was recently run off the road by a car with a personalised licence plate (quite deliberately). Just based on the appearance of the driver, the car and the plate my friend was able to find the driver on Facebook and from there get enough information to take out a credit card in the driver's name (he never used it).

A E Pfeiffer

As more and more "guilty secrets" are being revealed via the internet I'm struck by the similarity to the plot of Arthur C Clarke's "The Light of Other Days". One of the key ideas of the book is that any point in time and space can be connected to any other using wormhole technology, so all past, present and (if I remember correctly) future events can be seen by anyone who's interested. Nothing can be concealed; there are no more secrets; everyone is forced to behave honourably, knowing that their misdeeds would be on public view.

It remains to be seen whether YouTube and Facebook can have a similar effect.

knot

It's downright foolish to discuss attempts to protect reputation on the internet through takedown requests without mentioning the "Streisand Effect" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect). There are far too many instances of takedown attempts being the trigger that causes "gossip to go viral" for this to really be the goto strategy for protecting reputation. In the words of John Gilmore: "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." I think an argument can be made that the best approach when dealing with undesirable information let loose on the net is simply to ignore it and count on it getting lost in the web's unending memetic shuffle.

Don

Davey @11. And people win the lottery every day as well. Jared's point stands: your likelihood of actually "going viral" are slim. For every video of kids acting like idiots that shoots all over the internet, there are hundreds of videos of boring drunk kids that few actually see.

The author fails to grasp a very simple point here. And that is that in the years to come, for the "Google Generation" having embarrassing information about yourself in your college days on the Internet will be normal. Remember, there was once a time when an admission of drug use in college would have sunk a politician's career. But now? Who the hell cares? We all tried pot in college. It didn't hurt Bill Clinton's political career.

Also: "Shaming in the physical world often occurs in mild, fleeting ways." I would like to know what physical world this person lives in. Vicious gossip is not a new phenomenon. It's been around for as long as we have, only now it has a new form. People have been saying mean things about one another for a long, long time.

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Reuben

some good points, but you're starting about 10 years too late in your education about online posting...
teaching 'kids' about these things should start long before college. how many 8-10-12 year olds do you know who use an online messenger or social networking?
take a real (or informal poll) - the answer would be MOST who have regular internet access....