Season 10, Episode 11

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John Mackey, the C.E.O. of Whole Foods, has learned the perils of speaking his mind. But he still says what he thinks about everything from “conscious leadership” to the behavioral roots of the obesity epidemic. He also argues for a style of capitalism and politics that at this moment seems like a fantasy. What does he know that we don’t?

To find out more, check out the podcast from which this hour was drawn: “How to Succeed By Being Authentic (Hint: Carefully)”