Season 10, Episode 43

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Cecilia Rouse, the chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, is as cold-blooded as any economist. But she admits that her profession would do well to focus on policy that actually helps people. Rouse explains why President Biden wants to spend trillions of dollars to reshape the economy, and why — as the first Black chair of the C.E.A. — she has a good idea of what needs fixing. And: The accidental futurist Kevin Kelly on why enthusiasm beats intelligence.

To find out more, check out the podcasts from which this hour was drawn: “She’s From the Government, and She’s Here to Help” and “68 Ways to Be Better at Life.