Season 8, Episode 30

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Gary Cohn was leaving the number two position at Goldman Sachs when he met with Donald Trump. But was this Wall Street veteran ready for the challenges of Pennsylvania Avenue? (Photo: Pool/Getty)

For years, Gary Cohn thought he’d be the next C.E.O. of Goldman Sachs. Instead, he became the “adult in the room” in a chaotic administration. Cohn talks about the fights he won, the fights he lost, and the fights he was no longer willing to have. Also: why he and Trump are still on speaking terms even after he reportedly called the president “a professional liar.”

To find out more, check out the podcast from which this hour was drawn: “A Free-Trade Democrat in the Trump White House.”